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键盘侠05湖人和19湖人极其相似詹姆斯历史地位究竟几何

2019-05-18 15:30:55来源:励志吧0次阅读

There are a remarkable amount of similarities between 2019 Lakers (led by Lebron), and 2005 Lakers (led by Kobe)

2019年的湖人(勒布朗带领)和2005年的湖人(科比带领)有太多相似的地方了。

Both teams were led by superstars that were expected to make the playoffs although not contend. However, both teams disappointed and didn’t (probably) make the playoffs

Both teams started out well (20-14 for 2019 Lakers and 19-15 for 2005 Lakers) before their superstars got injured.

Both teams lost ground during the injuries (2019 Lakers were 26-25 when Lebron returned, 2005 Lakers were 25-23 when Kobe returned), but were still in good enough position for their superstars to take them on a run to make the playoffs.

However, both teams disappointed by doing even worse once their superstars returned, despite said superstars putting up good stats. Critics of said superstars were particularly harsh about their defense (2005 Lakers finished 30th in defense and Kobe didn’t make All Defense the only time during his prime) while others claimed the rest of the team was so horrible that no one could take said teams to the playoffs.

Both superstars were “punished” by only making All-NBA 3rd team (Lebron will probably be a 3rd team Forward).

Also both superstars were criticized for putting themselves in a bad team situation due to off the court issues. Kobe was blamed for driving away Shaq and Phil Jackson, while Lebron is blamed for joining a mediocre team and for killing their chemistry by trying to trade everyone for AD.

两支球队尽管都不是总冠军竞争者,但是被超级巨星率领的球队都被期望至少能杀入季后赛,然而两支球队都因为没能进入季后赛而让人失望。

两支球队在球星受伤之前开局都不错(2019年湖人20胜14负,2005年湖人19胜15负)。

两支球队在超级巨星受伤之后都掉出了季后赛竞争行列(勒布朗回归时26胜25负,而科比回归时25胜23负),但是他们依然在季后赛竞争中处于一个比较有利的位置。

然而两支球队在彼此超级巨星回归之后却因为打得更差而备受非议,但是球星们的数据却依旧光鲜,评论者开始将矛头转向当家领袖的防守(2005年湖人防守联盟倒数第一,科比也是巅峰期第一次没能进入最佳防守阵容),其他人则说球队其他人实在太烂所以没人能带队进季后赛。

两名超级巨星都被惩罚式得弄进NBA三阵(勒布朗可能只能在NBA三阵担任前锋了吧)

而且两位超级球星都因为将球队至于场外因素风波而备受指责,科比为赶走禅师和鲨鱼而备受非议,而勒布朗则是因为想要交易所有人换来安东尼-戴维斯影响化学反应而受到指责。

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[–]Knicksjohnhenryirons 804 points 8 hours ago

Both teams had Luke Walton.

尼克斯球迷:别忘了两个球队都有卢克-沃顿。

[–]ThunderManicaLewinsky 354 points 7 hours ago

Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

雷霆球迷:先生们,女士们,还没开始就有人杀死比赛了。

[–]jiir_mesou 14 points 2 hours ago

I had a awful day! But r/nba always make me laugh! Thank you!

我今天特别不开心,但是Reddit还是把我逗乐了,谢谢你们!

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[–]RaptorsCheechers23 1306 points 10 hours ago

LeBron on All-NBA Third Team...

Man that's crazy to think about

猛龙球迷:勒布朗只有NBA最佳三阵?

这特么也太疯狂了吧。

[–]Heatwormhole222[S] 645 points 10 hours ago

I felt pretty safe in predicting that. He's Lebron so voters give him a huge benefit of the doubt; however, I think we can confidently say Giannis, KD, and PG are clearly above him. That just leaves Kawhi who Lebron has a statistical argument over, but the win difference between both teams should be enough to give Kawhi the nod. I wouldn't be shocked if Lebron makes 2nd team, but I think it will go to Kawhi.

热火球迷:我感觉这一点应该板上钉钉了吧,他是勒布朗所以投票者确实会在争议中给予他支持,但是我觉得我们可以很负责任地说字母哥、杜兰特、乔治在他前面,现在只需要考虑莱昂纳德和勒布朗之间可能数据上有差异,但是两支球队在赢球上的差距足够让莱昂纳德进入二阵了,如果勒布朗进入二阵我会非常吃惊,因为在这一点上我很倾向于莱昂纳德。

[–]RaptorsCheechers23 233 points 10 hours ago*

I agree. I do expect it to go to LeBron just cause it’s the media. Kawhi should get it though

猛龙球迷:我同意你的观点,我期望勒布朗能进二阵只是因为媒体,莱昂纳德应该拿到二阵荣誉的。

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[–]76ersDrewFlan 101 points 9 hours ago

I mean, 27/8.5/8 is a fucking great statline to average.

76人球迷:我的意思是,场均27+8.5+8确实是一个非常光鲜的数字啊。

[–]RocketsMrTheNoodles 82 points 7 hours ago

Harden averaged 29/6.1/7.5 and didn't make an All-NBA team in 2016 lol

火箭球迷:哈登场均29+6.1+7.5在2016年还没进NBA三阵呢。

[–]Rocketspraisejoshgordon 49 points 6 hours ago

And his team made the playoffs, and Harden didn't miss 20 games

火箭球迷:而且他的球队杀进了季后赛,哈登也没因伤缺阵20场比赛。

[–]stuckinatrance 28 points 8 hours ago

It is, but if you watch these games man it just doesnt look good.

确实如此,但是如果你看比赛你会发现勒布朗打得根本没想象中那么好。

[–]76erstim-whale 92 points 9 hours ago

well i've personally never seen lebron and kobe in the same room before

76人球迷:个人而言,我还从来没有见过勒布朗和科比同场竞技呢。

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[–]TheBurner4567 277 points 10 hours ago

05 lakers also had a mid season coaching change

对了05年湖人赛季中还换了主教练呢。

[–]Clippersdocmartens 115 points 10 hours ago

Time is a flat circle

快船球迷:时间真像一个圆啊。

[–]Lakersfreqtuner23 56 points 9 hours ago

I’ll add to this, both 2005 and 2019 had front office moves that focused around cutting salary and maintaining cap space for the following free agent markets while also developing talent. Hopefully we do better than smush Parker, Kwame brown, Chris mihm this time around.

湖人球迷:我再来添加一点,2005年和2019年的管理层都专注于维持薪金空间、削减开支并且同时在积攒天赋,希望我们在这段时间里能做的比当年死神帕克、夸梅-布朗以及克里斯-米姆更好吧。

[–]Knickskevinknix 35 points 10 hours ago

and I think it was around that time that Kobe almost became a Bull.

Didn't want to go into the details as my memory was a little hazy, but I think Kobe wanted that move.

尼克斯球迷:我记得那个时候科比好像差一点就去公牛了?

别想让我提供细节了,但是我觉得科比好像很像要去芝加哥啊。

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[–]Therealbenji17 274 points 11 hours ago

Be careful.. Hardcore Kobe fans love to forget about this and will grill you for it.. lmao.

小心点……科比的粉丝估计把这一点都忘记了,他们会群起而攻之的,哈哈哈。

[–]LakersAfk94 16 points 6 hours ago

We had Chris Mihm and Chucky Atkins as starters. Lebron has a much better team.

湖人球迷:我们当年克里斯-米姆和昌西-阿特金斯打首发,勒布朗有更好的队友。

[–]CavaliersDeanBlandino 314 points 10 hours ago

Nah man. It’s way worse for lebron to miss playoffs with a bad team in his 16th year than Kobe to miss the playoffs in his prime. Or look at Jordan. He had the dignity and respect for the game. Every time he felt like not playing he retired. We all know not playing is far greater than halfassing when you realize your season is over.

To sum it up, anything bad lebron does is twice as bad as anyone else doing it, and if Kobe or mj did it then it doesn’t count. It’s incredible what smush did for Kobe’s career and how straight quitting proves mj never quits.

骑士球迷:不不不,勒布朗在第十六年进不了季后赛要比科比巅峰时期进不了季后赛要更糟。或者看看乔丹,他一直对比赛都有所尊重,只要他感觉比赛不对劲就会退役,我们都知道,当你发现赛季即将结束的时候,退场永远比打个半场好。

总而言之,勒布朗做得任何坏事都是其他人的两倍,如果科比和乔丹做了这些事情那就不算数了,实际上死神帕克为科比的职业生涯做出了不可思议的事情,或者退役要证明了乔丹从未放弃该有多不可思议了。

[–]Mavericksmakami- 124 points 10 hours ago

Jordan "quit" after winning 3 consecutive championships, the last of which he averaged 41/8.5/6 in the finals lol. Also the first player ever to win 3 consecutive final MVPs. You're acting like he quit after things got tough. Not to mention he took up baseball because that's what his late father wanted him to be

独行侠球迷:乔丹在连续拿了三个总冠军之后才退役的吧,而且最后一次总决赛场均41+8.5+6还好,他也是第一个连续获得三个总决赛MVP的男人,你这话说得像是他在球场上的工作变得很差之后才退役了,更不用提他接管棒球是因为他的父亲遗愿。

[–]SpursGGezpzMuppy 35 points 11 hours ago

Lebron knew this year was a “gap year”, especially with all the recruits being one year contract fill ins.

马刺球迷:勒布朗知道这个赛季是“间隔年”,尤其是去年招募的人全是一年合同,都是为了清理薪金空间。

[–]Pistonsrando1817 93 points 11 hours ago

Yea but that’s a bs excuse for missing the playoffs. It was supposed to be a gap year in that the lakers were supposed to be the 6-8 seed and lose in the first round

活塞球迷:是的,但是这不是错过季后赛的借口,这确实是一个间隔年,但是湖人应该能进6-8号种子并且在第一轮会输掉系列赛。

[–]destroyingstupidity 35 points 9 hours ago

I think these are similar comparisons.. if we completely ignore talent on roster.

2005 lakers were drastically worse in terms of talent. Extremely weak squad.

我觉得他们确实很多东西相似,如果我们完全忽略阵容天赋。

2005年湖人在天赋上比2019年差很多,他们的阵容太弱了。

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